tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post5730754554160427271..comments2024-02-14T13:04:30.499-05:00Comments on Good To Begin Well, Better To End Well: Affairs of the Gods: Zeus and EuropaAmalia Dillinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-39344698505198684902016-11-18T12:32:21.900-05:002016-11-18T12:32:21.900-05:00Thanks for commentThanks for commentAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14753156555223561443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-62776900166877799312011-03-10T19:08:18.469-05:002011-03-10T19:08:18.469-05:00Di: I know! I love when the blog inspires discussi...Di: I know! I love when the blog inspires discussion!<br /><br />I'm definitely thinking it must be somewhere between A and B. But now I want to rewrite my bull-leaping story, which you will adore because it is #AdamLove<br /><br />Sarah:<br />haha! It was not THAT bad. I mean, it was really snotty, but he was already licking me so it was kind of just more of the same by that point.Amalia Dillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-83671954885936975572011-03-10T10:01:05.941-05:002011-03-10T10:01:05.941-05:00I'm sorry, but I am imagining the magnificent ...I'm sorry, but I am imagining the magnificent white bull sneezing on you. How gross! Poor Malia!Just Another Sarahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589166715361819941noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-45763496647814414192011-03-07T00:44:36.073-05:002011-03-07T00:44:36.073-05:00I love this post, and the long twitter discussion ...I love this post, and the long twitter discussion it inspired! So here are the theories:<br /><br />a) Zeus used some kind of godly hypnotism to dull her common sense.<br /><br />b) Europa figured the weirdly docile bull was a god, and decided to play along... either because she knew gods get whatever they want anyway so she may as well go with it, or because she was attracted to the idea of Diana Pazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04368186068872293410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-26067584392318714172011-03-04T10:33:49.868-05:002011-03-04T10:33:49.868-05:00You're right-- the poet/authors are definitely...You're right-- the poet/authors are definitely guiding us toward faulting Europa with the language they've used. And this isn't the first myth in which we get the "well, she asked for it" subtext. Tyro is throwing herself at the River god when she attracts Poseidon's attention, begging to be taken. And even the women who aren't made out to be overtly sexual are too Amalia Dillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-7241428769024262382011-03-04T10:20:03.453-05:002011-03-04T10:20:03.453-05:00You make a good point, Amalia, about the climbing ...You make a good point, Amalia, about the climbing on the back of the bull. But I "read" that as the male poet's need to make her seem a bit stupid to take the edge off the ugliness of what is really happening.<br /><br />And you're right--any girl growing up in the country (that is, mostly ALL ancient girls) would've known better.<br /><br />The wording too is interesting--&Vicky Alvear Shecterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17570828339389206203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-78165687363859835162011-03-04T09:57:34.695-05:002011-03-04T09:57:34.695-05:00No, no, Vicky-- you're right, and I'm GLAD...No, no, Vicky-- you're right, and I'm GLAD That you posted this! There definitely is a LOT of blame loaded down on these girls, and you're right, also to point out that they were most often YOUNG and probably quite sheltered, and the gods are DEFINITELY in the wrong across the board with the making-off-with-them and having-their-way. Zeus definitely could have beguiled her with some Amalia Dillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-18903403110002411762011-03-04T09:44:46.365-05:002011-03-04T09:44:46.365-05:00I don't know, Amalia--I'm not convinced th...I don't know, Amalia--I'm not convinced that Europa should have culpability here. It's all about the power--who has it, who doesn't. A mere mortal, likely quite young (remember, in most of these stories, the girls are probably anywhere from 14-16--we too often think of them as young women with agency, rather than the girls they most likely were...) versus the God of Olympus. Yeah,Vicky Alvear Shecterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17570828339389206203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-23597075703687927552011-03-04T09:30:48.056-05:002011-03-04T09:30:48.056-05:00Thanks, Chris! Yeah-- I just can't get over th...Thanks, Chris! Yeah-- I just can't get over that. It makes zero sense to me.Amalia Dillinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13005039978668326144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5458380.post-63819310484126628572011-03-04T09:17:35.097-05:002011-03-04T09:17:35.097-05:00Awesome post! Yeah, I think it's all right to ...Awesome post! Yeah, I think it's all right to fault Europa just a little! ;-)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07995267172282765794noreply@blogger.com